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Video: Interviews with Martin Logies and Steve Contursi on the Sale of the 1794 Silver Dollar
June 21, 2010 at 10:20 PM

The Neil/Carter/Contursi specimen 1794 Flowing Hair silver dollar was sold in May for $7,850,000, setting a new record as the world's most valuable rare coin. Graded PCGS Specimen-66, it is the finest known 1794 dollar and believed by several prominent experts to be the first silver dollar ever struck by the United States Mint.

It was sold by Steven L. Contursi, President of Rare Coin Wholesalers of Irvine, California, to the nonprofit Cardinal Collection Educational Foundation (CCEF) in Sunnyvale, California. Collector and numismatic researcher Martin Logies represented the foundation of which he is a director and its numismatic curator. The private sale was brokered by Greg Roberts, President and Chief Executive Officer of Spectrum Group International of Irvine, California.

From 2004 to 2009, the coin was a featured exhibit at the American Numismatic Association's Edward C. Rochette Money Museum in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and was displayed at a half dozen ANA World's Fair of Money and National Money Show conventions around the country.

The 1984 Stack's auction lot description in the Carter Collection sale stated, "It is perfectly conceivable that this coin was the very first 1794 Silver Dollar struck!" Over the decades, various numismatic researchers have stated a similar belief including Walter Breen, Jack Collins, John Dannreuther, David Hall and Logies who is author of the book, The Flowing Hair Silver Dollars of 1794.

David Lisot of CoinTelevision.com interviewed both the buyer, Martin Logies, Curator Cardinal Collection Educational Foundation and the seller, Steve Contursi, President of Rare Coin Wholesalers at the Long Beach Expo earlier this month.

CoinLink is pleased to be able to provide both of these interviews:




Buyer of the 1794 Dollar for $7.85 Million: Martin Logies, Curator – Cardinal Collection Educational Foundation [9:18]

CCEF maintains several web sites to provide information about early American coins, including www.EarlyUSCoins.org and www.EarlyDollars.org that features an interactive "treasure hunters" guide for easily attributing early U.S. silver dollars by die variety. Another web site is planned, www.CCEFlibrary.org, that will be devoted to providing the public with access to the foundation's extensive numismatic library.

"Of all the rarities I have seen or heard of, there is no doubt in my mind that this is the single most important of all, the very first silver dollar. This is the coin that has it all," said Logies.




Seller of the 1794 Dollar for $7.85 Million: Steven L. Contursi, President of Rare Coin Wholesalers [5:38]

"This is a national treasure, and I've proudly been its custodian since 2003," said Contursi. "I never wanted to simply hide it in a vault because this coin is to our economy and international trade what the Declaration of Independence was to our country's freedom: a significant piece of history and a national treasure."

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Laura Sperber's Hot Topics – BACK TO HELL?
June 21, 2010 at 9:03 PM

THIS ARTICLE SOLELY REPRESENTS THE OPINION OF LAURA SPERBER

At the Baltimore Show I heard many rumors about the PCGS lawsuit. One was great-but also was especially disturbing.

That rumor was that PCGS and some of the "named" defendants in the suit were discussing a possible settlement. That news is terrific! Or is it? I should point out what I heard is ONLY rumor and I have not spoken to anyone from PCGS about it. Legend FULLY supports PCGS in this lawsuit and its efforts to stop coin doctors.

PCGS is absolutely deserving of being refunded with penalty for all the damages these disgusting people have caused to them. A note to promising to cease probably will be included in any settlement. So I started to think, if there should be a settlement where does that leave the rest of us? The others who have been damaged by coin doctors actions with no restitution?

I believe it leaves us right back where we started. The coin doctors will just continue on their merry way. Sure, one small group is down, but the others all got away-with out so much as even a slap on the wrist (assuming there is a settlement). Of course since I had my meeting with my favorite party club of dealers-The PNG, they have issued only one statement and seem to be intent of claiming to try and define what makes up the standard for a coin being doctored (my bet is they will NEVER end the debate). Of course that will have to wait until their next meeting, then the board has to discuss, yada, yada.

EVERYONE MUST TURN ON THE PRESSURE NOW

Collectors, its going to be up to you to make changes apparently. Talk to your dealers. If they do not become vocal about this, before you walk out the door for good, ask what they could possibly be afraid of? How can any dealer not see coin doctoring as a serious crime? Ignoring it will not make the dirt bags who do it stop. Do they really believe this does not affect them? So far I have only seen 3-4 dealers actually speak up. All others seem to be hiding on corners.

Anyone who cares needs to speak up NOW. Keep writing letters to the PNG. Write letters to Coin World. Discuss the subject on the gossip boards. Write the grading services too.

THE PNG IS A DISGRACE

They just do not get it. They make too many excuses. "Bring us a complaint and we will follow it up" or my favorite: "its the grading services fault". At the Baltimore show two members (including a board member) said these statements to me. What planet are these guys from? It does not matter if the grading services are having trouble catching doctored coins or even if they are incompetent (which they are not). The issue is the fact that there are several KNOWN unquestionable coin doctors in PNG who send coins in FRADULATELY to be graded. That's a hell of a difference from buying a doctored coin unintentionally.

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO CHANGE THE DEALER MENTALITY ABOUT THIS. The PNG leadership needs to CHANGE its members attitudes. Of course another PNG defense is what about the non members who doctor coins? Just get your own damn house in order! Make it so ANYONE who ever doctors a coin is scared. And quit lying to the public that your organization has the most honest and ethical dealers in it. If you care about the entire hobby, then get off your butts and do something NOW!

WHAT CAN WE REALLY DO?

In the end, coins are too neat and people do love collecting them very much. If we can not police ourselves, then its time for some one to do it for us. I would call for government intervention with harsh penalties for ANYONE who destroys a coin for monetary gain via fraudulent activity. All we can do right now is put as much pressure on as possible and wait. Even if most dealers turn out to be a bunch of greedy shameless putzes, collectors out number them by far and really can make a difference. It will be very interesting to see if the PCGS Lawsuit does indeed get settled. Just remember, if it does, the war against coin doctors is not even close to being over.

I am not afraid to speak my mind about this. I do not care what dealers think of me for doing so and I am NOT seeking extra business from this. I have been a passionate collector of coins all my life. Now, I am fortunate to be able to make a living doing what I love. To me, coin doctoring is a horrible crime to the hobby. In fact I am only getting more angry at my fellow dealers lack of caring. There simply is no excuse. My stance against the PNG is deepening as I fear they are doing the coin business more harm than good. PCGS made the right move by filing suit-enough is enough. And I really do want to see an end to the coin doctors and their associates almost free run of destruction.

Next time your gold coin turns blue, the cheek of your Morgan Dollar turns black, or your copper coin turns totally disgusting, speak out. Coin doctors can be forced to stop.

THIS ARTICLE REPRESENTS THE OPINION SOLEY OF LAURA SPERBER.

You can email me with any comments or questions – lsperber1@hotmail.com

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San Francisco Double Eagles: A Date by Date Analysis Part One
June 21, 2010 at 12:51 PM

By Doug Winter – www.RareGoldCoins.com

It has been a long time since I've written anything about the San Francisco double eagles. As these coins have become increasingly popular over the course of time (they are actually the most popular gold coins from this mint by a considerable margin) I think this would be an excellent time to begin a series of articles. It is only natural to divide these coins into three groups and this would be as follows:

*Type One, 1854-1866
*Type Two, 1866-1876
*Type Three, 1877-1907

This first article is going to deal with the very popular Type One issues that were produced, as stated above, from 1854 through 1866.

1854-S:

After years of neglect, this historically significant date has finally come into its own. The survival pattern of the 1854-S is different than for any other SF double eagle. Examples are likely to be found either very well worn (in VF35 to EF45 grades) or in Uncirculated (MS61 to MS63). This is because of the fact that this issue saw considerable circulation in the booming local Gold Rush economy and that a hoard of 100 or so Uncirculated pieces with seawater surfaces exists. The 1854-S is extremely rare in high grades with natural surfaces. I have only seen two in Uncirculated not from the shipwreck and just a handful of non-seawater AU pieces. A new price record was set for the date by Heritage 10/08: 3013, graded MS65 by PCGS, which brought a remarkable $115,000. Despite this, published pricing information for the 1854-S is way too low and a solid AU55 or AU58 with natural surfaces is worth well over current levels.

1855-S:

For many collectors, the 1855-S is the earliest date SF double eagle that is added to their collection. This issue remains reasonably available in the lower to medium About Uncirculated grades but it is scarce in Uncirculated and much undervalued in my opinion. I believe that there are as many as 150-200 known in Uncirculated with many of these either in the lower range of this grade or sourced from the S.S. Central America or S.S. Republic shipwrecks. As with the other double eagles from this date, the 1855-S is characterized by very heavily abraded surfaces and choice, original pieces are worth a premium. At less than $3,000 for a pleasing, high end AU example, I think that the 1855-S remains an outstanding value in the Type One market.

1856-S:

The discovery of over 1,000 high grade examples in the S.S. Central America treasure has made the 1856-S a common issue and one that is very popular with new Type One collectors. Price levels have increased in recent years for nice Uncirculated 1856-S double eagles and for good reason as these are affordable coins with a great story and fantastic eye appeal. The 1856-S in its original S.S. Central America gold foil PCGS holder is harder to find than its counterpart the 1856-S and the premium for the former is starting to increase. I look for nice MS63 and MS64 examples that show minimal discoloration and remaining encrusation.

1857-S:

The discovery of more than 5,000 high quality examples on the S.S. Central America is what really jump-started the market for Type One double eagles. There are hundreds of collectors who started out buying a single Uncirculated 1857-S and then became hooked by the Type One series. I've noted some confusion about proper valuation for these coins. As an example, there is a CDN Bid of $7,200 for MS64 examples. This bid represents the value of a coin in a gold foil holder with the original box. An NGC MS64, which is clearly a coin that was broken out of a PCGS holder and likely upgraded, is worth less than this; in some cases as much as 10%. As a collector, if you pay a strong retail price for an Uncirculated 1857-S double eagle, try to be patient and wait for a nice quality piece in the original PCGS holder.

1858-S:

The 1856-S and the 1857-S get all the publicity but the 1858-S is a much scarcer coin and a really rare one in Uncirculated. I believe that only two to three dozen are known in Uncirculated and I have not seen one better than MS61. The fact that so few nice 1858-S double eagles have sold at auction means that there are no high sales records and, concurrently, collectors are not aware of the true value of this date in higher grades. I'd have to rank the 1858-S as one of my favorite issues of this type from SF and I certainly think that it is among the two or three best values. I recently sold a lovely PCGS AU58 for less than $5,000 (cheap!!) and have sold nice AU55 coins for less than $3,000.

1859-S:

The 1859-S is less rare than the 1858-S both in terms of overall and high grade rarity. But it is another date that it is a favorite of mine and I still maintain that nice quality AU55 to AU58 coins at $4,000+ and below are just about the best value that you can find in the Type One market; especially with very common Philadelphia coins from the early 1850's worth around $2,500-3,000 in nice AU. The 1859-S is often found with bright, baggy surfaces. The finest known example is a PCGS MS63 (ex Bowers and Merena 3/04: 3198) that sold for $31,050. I'm not certain if this coin would realize a ton more today but it still seems undervalued in comparison to other finest known Type One issues.

1860-S:

Not much has changed with this date since I wrote my book on Type One double eagles in 2002. There are still fewer than 2000 known in all grades and I actually have revised my estimate of Uncirculated pieces known down from 25-50 to 20-30. This date remains rare and undervalued in higher grades. Trends in AU55 and AU58 is higher than the 1858-S and 1859-S but it is still reasonable, given the rarity of this issue. PCGS has graded a single example in MS63 and MS64 (neither of which I have seen) and there are just a few known in properly graded MS62. If you collect Type One double eagles in high grades and you see a choice, attractive 1860-S my advice to disregard current pricing guides and get aggressive as a considerable amount of time may pass before you get a second chance.

1861-S:

Until eleven Uncirculated examples were found on the S.S. Republic this date was almost unavailable in Uncirculated. It remains very rare with fewer than a dozen known with original surfaces in Mint State. I actually think the 1861-S is every bit as tough as the 1860-S in AU55 to AU58 although it tends to sell for a bit less. This issue is unheralded due to the fame of the Paquet Reverse but it is beginning to come into its own as far as specialists go. Heritage 5/08: 3579 (graded MS62 by PCGS) is the current record auction price at $25,300. The finest graded is a single PCGS MS63 that I have have never personally seen.

1861-S Paquet Reverse:

As I've written before, for years the Paquet double eagle was extremely undervalued. It was an issue that I can remember literally pleading with clients to buy. Yes, it was a bit on the obscure side but it was very rare, historically significant and impossible to find in higher grades. Not to toot my own horn too loudly but if you listened to me about purchasing a Paquet, we're both happy right now. The market for this issue peaked around mid-2008 when there were three auction sales within a year for AU58 examples that brought in the $160's. Suddenly, this formerly undervalued issue seemed pricey. Very pricey in fact. It has subsequently diminished in value. But I don't think this is a long-term projection for the issue. I've never seen or heard of an Uncirculated example (and a nice one would bring a huge, huge price if offered today) and have just seen two that I regarded as true AU58's. I would suggest that if you are thinking of buying a Paquet you be extremely selective and hold out for a nice coin with good eye appeal.

1862-S:

This issue has become more available in higher grades due to the presence of some reasonably choice pieces in the S.S. Republic There are around two to three dozen known in Uncirculated with most in the MS60 to MS61 range. This date remains very rare in properly graded MS62 and there are just two known in MS63 (one each at PCGS and NGC). From a price standpoint, I find the 1862-S a bit overvalued in the higher AU grades when compared to the 1858-S, 1859-S and 1861-S. Interestingly, this is d ate that you never seem to see with the "Euro" look that is seen on some of the earlier S Mint Type One issues. It seems as if few were shipped overseas and the ones that I have seen that have come back from abroad are usually very well worn.

1863-S:

Since the discovery of the S.S. Republic the 1863-S is about twice as available in Uncirculated as it was when I wrote my Type One book. I'd venture to estimate that as many as 100 are known in Uncirculated although the majority are shipwreck coins. The Uncirculated pieces in PCGS holders tend to be from the S.S. Brother Jonathan while the NGC coins tend to be from the S.S. Republic. Of all the San Fransisco S mints from this era, the 1863-S tends to be among the worst struck with a lot of flatness seen on the hair. Conversely, the luster is good and there are some original pieces known that have great color and overall eye appeal. This is a date that I think is a bit tougher in original AU55 and AU58 than most people realize and it seems like pretty good value at current levels.

1864-S:

This date's rarity has been notably changed by the S.S. Republic and Brother Jonathan shipwrecks. I can remember when the 1864-S was just about impossible to find in Uncirculated. In fact, in the late 1980's/early 1990's I owned a PCGS MS62 which I distinctly remember being far and away the finest 1864-S that I had seen or heard of. This tends to be a poorly produced issue with even less hair detail than seen on the 1862-S and 1863-S. Coins with original surfaces tend to be a bit on the grainy side and if they have natural color tend to be dark and not especially attractive. NGC graded one of the S.S. Republic coins MS65 and this is likely to remain the highest graded 1864-S double eagle for many years.

1865-S:

Just as the 1857-S is now officially known as the "Central America" date in this series, the 1865-S is likely to always be remembered as the "Brother Jonathan" date. There were over 550 found on the BroJo. When you combine this number with the 235 found on the S.S. Republic , this adds up to a lot of high grade 1865-S double eagles. This date has been graded as high as MS66 (the best of which brought $72,450 at auction all the way back in May 1999) and enough have been graded in MS64 and MS65 to make it readily available. I'm not personally a big fan of shipwreck coins (as you probably know, I like coins that have original crusty surfaces…) but I think it would be a neat set to have one nice high grade coin from each of the three major Type One shipwrecks.

1866-S No Motto:

Only 12,000 examples were struck of this issue and it is the second rarest Type One double eagle from San Francisco, trailing only the 1861-S Paquet. Despite this coin's rarity, it was hugely undervalued for many years. This changed dramatically in the early 2000's when Type Ones became avidly collected by date and interest in the rarest issues soared. The price for a nice EF 1866-S double eagle went from around $5,000 to around $25,000. The height of the market for this issue was 2007-2008 when a number of pieces brought over $100,000 at auction. In January 2007, Heritage sold a really nice PCGS AU58 for $195,000 and I'm told that at least one of the coins graded MS60 by NGC traded privately for over $250,000. Those are pretty heady numbers for a coin that most people barely even knew about a decade ago. But I think the future looks good for this issue. It is truly rare in properly graded AU55 and AU58 and excessively rare in Uncirculated with just two or three currently accounted for.

I think the future looks very bright for San Francisco Type One double eagles. These issues are popular and avidly collected. There are coins available for all price ranges and the fact that many dates have very attractive shipwreck coins available is a great way to introduce this series to new collectors.

Related posts:

  1. Philadelphia No Motto Half Eagles From the 1840's: A Date by Date Analysis
  2. Better Date Type Two Liberty Head Double Eagles: A Re-Evaluation
  3. A Look at the Current Market for Type One Gold Double Eagles Coins

 

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