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Gold Confiscation Past and Present
September 10, 2010 at 11:29 AM
 
There was a recent article posted  by David Ganz in Numismatics News titled "Protect Your Gold Against Seizure" (actually it is just the first part of a multi-part article), where several topics were discussed, not the least of which was FDR's Executive order from April 5, 1933.

Many "Gold Bugs" in addition to just regular investors who have moved into the gold marketplace are concerned that if the economic crisis worsens, there is or might be the possibility that we could see new efforts to confiscate gold on the part of the government.

Indeed the Glen Beck-Goldine controversy with NY Congressman Anthony Weiner is in part about what Rep Weiner calls misleading statements and fear-mongering on the part of Beck and Goldline, to use the 1933 Executive order to steer buyers into numismatic coins (and common date foreign gold coins) which were exempt under the 1933 confiscation order, rather than purchasing lower margin bullion products, such as American Gold Eagles, Krugerrands and the like.

CoinLink is going to have an article about the Beck-Goldline-Weiner story next week which is sure to piss off a number of people.

Back to David Ganz's article. There were several thing in the piece that raised our eyebrows and were just interesting.  Mr Ganz is both an attorney and a highly intelligent and insightful coin enthusiast. We always follow his articles with the highest degree of interest.

 

 

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He related that there was some disagreement on whether or not FDR's Executive order was indeed a confiscation order, or a request for voluntary compliance in the national interest.  It is true that the police did not come knocking at the doors to take all of their gold, but we would have to disagree with Maurice Rosen's conclusion that this was a voluntary situation. Clearly Section 9 of the Executive Order  (See full text of Executive Order 6102 below) calls for a $10,000 fine and Up to 10 Years in prison for 'non compliance. That does not sound very  "Voluntary" to me.

Mr Ganz then provides a very interesting summary of the number of gold coins that were indeed collected by the Treasury Department….. "the government's "voluntary" gold coin retirement program actually took in and melted 125 million gold coins of 351 million gold coins ever produced by the United States from 1795-1933. That constitutes melting 39 percent of all the double eagles struck, 47 percent of all the $10 coins manufactured, and about a third of the $5 gold coins that were produced by the U.S. Mints."

However his next point was something that we had never heard of before from any source concerning the vague exemption of "collector coins" from the order.

Ganz's states that "The regulations promulgated by the Treasury allowed collectors to retain up to five coins of each date and mint mark"  WOW!

In any event, one aspect of this entire debate that seems to get lost is "why would we assume that any New gold confiscation order either would be or should be crafted after Roosevelt's 1933 Executive order?

Sure it is interesting to debate and I understand the concept of precedence, but realistically, if the government in its infinite wisdom and hypocrisy decided that it would be in what they considered to be the "National Interest" to confiscate all privately held gold, they would find a way to do it, either through Executive Order, The tax code, or by whatever means necessary.

Of course we might go through they typical dog and pony show and wrap everything up in the American flag to make it more palatable for the general public, but if the dollar were to collapse, or if whatever scenario were to develop where the government/federal reserve/bankers were convinced that private ownership of gold was not in the best interests of the US government, they will find a way to either take it, tax it or make it illegal.

So  what are investors to do if there are no protections against a future Government confiscation?

You are going to have to wait until the additional sections of Mr Ganz's article are published to hear his recommendations.

For our part, check back with CoinLink next week for a list of things you can do to secure your gold .


The Gold Confiscation Of April 5, 1933

From: President of the United States Franklin Delano Roosevelt
To: The United States Congress
Dated: 5 April, 1933
Presidential Executive Order 6102

Forbidding the Hoarding of Gold Coin, Gold Bullion and Gold Certificates By virtue of the authority vested in me by Section 5(b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended by Section 2 of the Act of March 9, 1933, entitled

An Act to provide relief in the existing national emergency in banking, and for other purposes~',

in which amendatory Act Congress declared that a serious emergency exists,

I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America, do declare that said national emergency still continues to exist and pursuant to said section to do hereby prohibit the hoarding gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States by individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations and hereby prescribe the following regulations for carrying out the purposes of the order:

Section 1. For the purpose of this regulation, the term 'hoarding" means the withdrawal and withholding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates from the recognized and customary channels of trade. The term "person" means any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933, except the following:

(a) Such amount of gold as may be required for legitimate and customary use in industry, profession or art within a reasonable time, including gold prior to refining and stocks of gold in reasonable amounts for the usual trade requirements of owners mining and refining such gold.

(b) Gold coin and gold certificates in an amount not exceeding in the aggregate $100.00 belonging to any one person; and gold coins having recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins.

(c) Gold coin and bullion earmarked or held in trust for a recognized foreign government or foreign central bank or the Bank for International Settlements.

(d) Gold coin and bullion licensed for the other proper transactions (not involving hoarding) including gold coin and gold bullion imported for the re-export or held pending action on applications for export license.

Section 3. Until otherwise ordered any person becoming the owner of any gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates after April 28, 1933, shall within three days after receipt thereof, deliver the same in the manner prescribed in Section 2; unless such gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates are held for any of the purposes specified in paragraphs (a),(b) or (c) of Section 2; or unless such gold coin, gold bullion is held for purposes specified in paragraph (d) of Section 2 and the person holding it is, with respect to such gold coin or bullion, a licensee or applicant for license pending action thereon.

Section 4. Upon receipt of gold coin, gold bullion, or gold certificates delivered to it in accordance with Section 2 or 3, the Federal reserve bank or member bank will pay thereof an equivalent amount of any other form of coin or currency coined or issued under the laws of the Unites States.

Section 5. Member banks shall deliver alt gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned or received by them (other than as exempted under the provisions of Section 2) to the Federal reserve banks of there respective districts and receive credit or payment thereof.

Section 6. The Secretary of the Treasury, out of the sum made available to the President by Section 501 of the Act of March 9, 1933, will in all proper cases pay the reasonable costs of transportation of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates delivered to a member bank or Federal reserve bank in accordance with Sections 2, 3, or 5 hereof, including the cost of insurance, protection, and such other incidental costs as may be necessary, upon production of satisfactory evidence of such costs. Voucher forms for this purpose may be procured from Federal reserve banks.

Section 7. In cases where the delivery of gold coin, gold bullion, or gold certificates by the owners thereof within the time set forth above will involve extraordinary hardship or difficulty, the Secretary of the Treasury may, in his discretion, extend the time within which such delivery must be made. Applications for such extensions must be made in writing under oath; addressed to the Secretary of the Treasury and filed with a Federal reserve bank. Each applications must state the date to which the extension is desired, the amount and location of the gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates in respect of which such application is made and the facts showing extension to be necessary to avoid extraordinary hardship or difficulty.

Section 8. The Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized and empowered to issue such further regulations as he may deem necessary to carry the purposes of this order and to issue licenses there under, through such officers or agencies as he may designate, including licenses permitting the Federal reserve banks and member banks of the Federal Reserve System, in return for an equivalent amount of other coin, currency or credit, to deliver, earmark or hold in trust gold coin or bullion to or for persons showing the need for same for any of the purposes specified in paragraphs (a), (c), and (d) of Section 2 of these regulations.

Section 9. Whoever willfully violates any provision of this Executive Order or these regulation or of any rule, regulation or license issued there under may be fined not more than $10,000, or,if a natural person may be imprisoned for not more than ten years or both; and any officer, director, or agent of any corporation who knowingly participates in any such violation may be punished by a like fine, imprisonment, or both.

This order and these regulations may be modified or revoked at any time.
/s/
Franklin D. Roosevelt
President of the United States of America
April 5, 1933

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